brake alert: Don’t read if you haven’t watched the season finale episode “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” which is airing now on Disney+.
Throughout “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” Jennifer Walters, aka She-Hulk (Tatiana Maslany), breaks the fourth wall by not only addressing the camera directly, but by acknowledging her presence in the Marvel Studios superhero. In the season finale – titled “Who is this show for?” – Jennifer exited the show entirely, jumping through the Disney+ portal to confront the show’s writers about why the epilogue unnecessarily wrapped with weird, meaningless plot lines, including a story about a group of toxic fans trolling Jennifer online about her being a superhero who isn’t worthy of her powers. .
In the end, Jennifer confronts the person responsible – no, not Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige, but KEVIN (or Knowledge Enhanced Visual Interconnectivity Nexus), a sensitive robot with “the world’s most advanced entertainment algorithm”.
As explained by Maslany, creator and lead writer Jessica Gao and director and executive producer Kat Cuero diverseFeige has been on a hiatus from the start, and even helped form his own AI avatar. They also spoke of the satisfaction they felt seeing real-life online trolls use the exact same critiques of “She-Hulk,” the show that fictional online trolls used in the show against She-Hulk, the character. Maslany addressed Jennifer’s romance with fellow attorney Matt Murdock, aka Daredevil (Charlie Cox), while Gao and Coiro shed some light on the introduction of Skaar (Wil Deusner), the surprise son of Jennifer’s cousin Bruce Banner, aka Hulk (Mark Ruffalo). )) ).
In addition to breaking the fourth wall, the ending addresses some of the same trolling comments made by Marvel fans. How did it feel to watch what happens while the show airs, knowing how the ending will turn out?
Tatiana Maslany: Jessica Gao is a genius and learns about the culture we live in and its place in it when she writes these stories about a female superhero. She knows what that response will be. As an actor, it was great sending these showrunner responses to each other, like “Oh my God, give them a week and then they’ll literally see this pop up on the show and become the villains of the show.” It was exciting.
Were you expecting to encounter trolls when you signed up for the show?
Read the text, it was true. There is a lot of resistance to women out there in the superhero space. There will always be that. I kind of expected it. That’s why I also feel it’s important. There is such an entitlement to the space that some people hold, and even being like She-Hulk is like damning you, and I love that.
What do you hope to see from Jane and Matt Murdock’s relationship?
I don’t know what Jane’s life is like now, other than it’s opening up. They definitely have a very real connection. I’m curious about how that turns out, whether it’s getting together now and then having fun, or if it turns into something more. But I don’t think either of them thinks about it. They are at the beginning of something.
Which avenger would get along with Jin best?
Baby Groot is going to be a great day. Impossible to photograph unless we put it on my head or something. There are so many characters that it would be fun to see how she gets along with Jane because she is a bit quirky and a bit on the outside. I think any pairing would be fun.
She and Deadpool will destroy the Fourth Wall.
They will fight over the dominant camera.
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Has Marvel given you any suggestions for the hate comments they get online?
Jessica Gao: That conversation between Jen and KEVIN is very much the relationship I have with real-life Kevin, and a lot of it is taken from conversations I had with him. This scene was much longer in the scripts. If they’d let me, I probably would have written a 10-minute conversation about my avatar arguing with Kevin. This is probably the shortest version of what it could have been. There were a few punches where Kevin was like, “Okay, that means a bit more now.”
How did you feel when accurately predicting what the trolls would say?
Our book room opened three years ago. The fact that we were able to predict what the reaction will be, and what a lot of trolls comments will be like, really shows how tired and unoriginal these trolls are. It really amazed me because the little troll who lives inside me really loves trolling trolls.
How did you decide to introduce Scar?
Right from the start, we’ve often talked about whether there will be a cameo at the end or, in typical Marvel fashion, are we going to provoke a new character at the end. The great veil would depend entirely on who was available and who was willing to do it, and you can’t count on that at the script stage. We talked a lot about which character we could tease. In the end, it was Kevin who decided it had to be Scar. His whole look is Kevin Feige.
In the episode set in the superhero retreat run by Emil Blonsky, aka Abomination (Tim Roth), many little-known Marvel characters are introduced, such as the vampire Saracen. Was he meant to be a dull reference? Were there other obscure comic book characters that you wanted to use?
We were working backwards from wanting to make jokes about blood. We originally discovered a strange, feral creature. Originally, we wanted to use Varnae, a vampire character more bat-like, so we could have a character that isn’t quite human and make a lot of jokes about being more animalistic and wanting to drink blood. This is how we ended up with Saracen. There were a lot of characters from the comics that we pulled that we thought were too vague and deep or just silly characters that we thought would be really fun to bring into the story. We couldn’t do a lot of them either because there was already a plan for them or there was a rights issue with the character. We also tried to play with them and had nothing to do with the story. At some point, we came up with a story for Stilt-Man just because it was a silly character, but we ended up not coming up with a good story to use him in.
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What was Kevin Feige’s reaction to the ending?
kat koiro: Kevin had a huge role in that ending and in the character of KEVIN and ironically, I was more sensitive to it than she was. I was like, “Are we going too far? Are we putting Marvel and the fans under the bus by putting on the Marvel movies?” They had such a self-deprecating, disrespectful feeling about themselves and were all too willing to make fun of themselves. They have thought about any criticism you can direct to them.
Did you have to dig deep for all the Marvel criticism or just scroll through Twitter?
One of the things I noticed was that at the beginning of the series, I was getting a lot of bad and mean comments. As it progressed, it stopped. I think it’s because they now realize that when they target us, they play directly into our hands. And we called it, and it’s so much fun. It is very satisfying. Even a negative comment, I always translate as interaction. If people are so angry, they pay attention. I look at all of this as a positive.
How many cameos at the end, like Daredevil, Skaar, Hulk, and Abomination, were only for gags or were purposely put together for future stories?
Kevin has been very specific about Skaar, so I’m sure there is some plan ahead, although I have no idea what that might be. We all knew Daredevil had to come back because people love him and their chemistry is so great. I just wish Patty Guggenheim was finally back. This is my great regret.
What repercussions will eventually happen in the future of the MCU?
I like it when KEVIN says a bug is fixed, because I don’t want every character in the MCU to do that [be able to] Confront him about their plot lines. So I hope it’s a one-time thing. We now know it’s there, but I don’t think we should revisit it all the time.
These interviews have been edited and condensed.
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